Crass Caucasian rapper R.A. the Rugged Man's blackballing throughout the music industry during the '90s has become a bit of hip-hop folklore, so it's always interesting to hear a first-hand account of just how severe it was.

In this short video released by R.A. the Rugged Man, the New York rapper and Method Man of the Wu-Tang Clan discuss their history together as well a specific example of Rugged Man's exclusion from the business. The two reflect on their first meeting, back when the Rugged Man was still known as Crustified Dibbs, and Method Man's disbelief that the Rugged Man had truly been blackballed.

Method Man then explains how Def Jam put a stop to a potential collaboration with R.A. the Rugged Man. "I'm like, 'Yeah, I need R.A. the Rugged Man on the joint' and s--t, got quiet," Method Man says. "No! We are not paying for R.A. the Rugged Man. What are you gonna get out of him?"

Method Man also reveals that this was the first time Def Jam ever told him no and regrets not doing the collaboration against their wishes.

R.A. the Rugged Man's album 'Legends Never Die' is available now on Nature Sounds.